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Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.15 18:08:00 - [1]
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.15 18:16:00 - [2] Originally by: Nur AlHuda Nice trick Battlestar had a good laugh. When each time someone surrenders its new bill payment to concord right there. See how many surrenders can SF wallet handle per week :) I hope AB-C has more honor than to pretend. terms have always been the terms, you backing out now? that would be pathetic.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.15 20:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/09/2009 20:47:43 look i am not a diplomat so I can't say what occured in the private diplomacy but i can prove the private diplomacy talks happened. AB-C, Keep to your word, show honor and stop making the Empire look childish and untrustworthy. own your words and keep to them or be forever a cull.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.15 22:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Verone misunderstanding stuff I did post the mail about the diplomacy...if you click the link you'll see it. There was chating and such and this is the formal acceptance post. why are you trying to stir up issues? friendly to Battlestar or something? Don't you have a gate to camp somehwere?
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.15 22:37:00 - [5] what the heck are you talking about? You are sticking your beak in this buisness with no info and are wrong too boot. stop taking Crash, it burns out that pretty face.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.15 22:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss why are you trying to stir up issues? friendly to Battlestar or something? Don't you have a gate to camp somehwere? As I said, if you'd have digested what was written before also launching an attack, I'm no friend of Amarr loyalists and intended in no way to badmouth the work of the freecaptains. My post was written as a question, hence the question mark at the end of it. The Fraction seems awfully self conscious and defensive in recent months for some reason, I'm concerned as to why this might be. the thread has the answers, no need to trash SF when we aren't the ones who intend to break their word...as it seems Battlestar Crusader is.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.16 22:49:00 - [7] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 16/09/2009 22:51:12 okay we have gotten far a field of the topic here. mindless hate aside the situation seems to be one of the two following: 1. Battlestar Crusader, as CEO of AB-C entered into Diplomacy with Star Fraction and agreed to Star Fraction's standard surrender terms and has since reneged on his diplomatic agreement. Breaking his word and disgracing Honorable secession of hostilities. -or- 2. Battlestar Crusader, as CEO of AB-C entered into Diplomacy with Star Fraction with the intention to break his word and "trick" the Star Fraction into agreeing to accept his Surrender. Breaking his word and disgracing Honorable secession of hostilities. From my opinion it seems to be the first scenario as the most likely. Battlestar (not being able to sell this surrender to his people) has fabricated a complex story about "tricks". Battlestar's contemporary CEOs (Grealyn, Nur AlHuda, Invelious etc...) showing solidarity to their ally has support this "trick" diplomacy. whether this is true though matters not one bit. In either scenario the lack of integrity is displayed by Battlestar and the Integrity of Star Fraction is highlighted. The worth of Battlestar Crusader's word of honor proves to be nothing at all, for what is diplomacy but the official promise of accord? further if this was indeed always intended to be a lie or "joke" all it has done is provide AB-C with about a day of high sec safety and cost Star Fraction less than one ship kill/kit loss. I don't want to believe this to be the case as the mortgaging of AB-C's honor in diplomacy should have been worth more to Battlestar Crusader than a few hours of safety and a couple hundred million isk. Perhaps Severance should reconsider the standings change, if Battlestar can trash his honor so easily what matters then the "apology" he made? you see all a corp has in this cluster is reputation.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.17 22:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Rodj Blake Quote: Still it does speak a lot about you Merdeneth. In essence you've declared your belief that its okay to break your word to a hated foe. I imagine that means that any suggestion of a formal duel, 1v1, truce or temperary ceasefire for any reason whatsoever proposed by yourself would be a lie and strategem designed to gain advantage for a better backstab right Merdeneth? Any diplomacy with PIE is meaningless because you wouldn't keep your word anyway because you consider lying to a foe as "right" behaviour to gain IGS "advantage" and kudos from 24th Crusade CEOs. Your hatred means you justify any petty betrayal for advantage and give yourself up to the animal rage of spiteful and base behaviour. Understood loud and clear. Merdaneth is not a PIE diplomat and does not have any authority in that area. Our policy is not as described by you. New Eden can rest assured that PIE upholds its diplomatic agreements and treaty commitments, no matter who they are with. Which was why I have been surprised as Merdaneth defending a breach in diplomacy. IÆd assume from PIEÆs history just like Star Fractions that if an official agreement was made, it would be followed hell-or-high-water. All an alliance has is its word after all. Originally by: Merdaneth TB: Battlestar broke his word, he cannot be trusted to keep his word! M: He broke his word against SF, he cannot be trusted to keep his word to SF would be a better conclusion M: He probably broke his word because SF (especially its CEO) are universally loathed and breaking your word with them is not seen as particularly bad JC: Ha, you think it is allowed to break your word with hated enemies! M: I'm merely explaining the context to mr. TB and pointing out generalization errors. Breaking oneÆs word is less about being ôbadö to the one betrayed and more about the one who is breaking his word betrays his own honor, trust and reputation. It isn't about Jade, its about Battlestar Crusader. That you, a member of PIE, doesnÆt understand the value of loyalty to honor and the word once given is surely a sign of these darkening days of cluster wide war. Is this rust forming on the golden hull?
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.10.16 16:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Vall Kor Some are surprised that they went back on their word? You actually thought the Amarr s***would keep his word? Well the issue here is two fold. 1. Diplomacy requires that (at first) benefit of the doubt has to be extended, for honor and promises are all that diplomacy really is. 2. AB-C, though now obviously a tarnished corporation with no trust or honor to speak of, was in company with corporations like PIE which would* keep their word regardless of to whom it was given. AB-C, Battlestar Crusader, continues to do more damage to the integrity of the 24th Crusade corporations than any enemy could dream of. Catching them in these blatant lies certainly wasnÆt the intention of the diplomacy but what a windfall for the forces in opposition to the 24th crusade to see how juvenile and rank with duplicity this ôleaderö is. All the 24th CrusadeÆs enemies can do is blow up their ships and suppress them into interceptors or station docking bays. Damage to their character can only come from with in.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Theophilas It's laughable to think that any loyal pilot of the Amarr empire would enter negotiations with known terrorists... clearly you didn't read the thread, Battlestar admits to doing so, I posted an image proving it and then Battlestar admits to lying and breaking his word. Not only did Battlestar not get this "no negotiation" memo but he then further crossed Amarrian reputation by lying about it and breaking his word. Originally by: Theophilas In other words, you got exactly what you deserved. thus speaks another Amarrian who seems to not understand Honor and the Word Once Given. Such rust on the Golden Hull. Very disappointing to one who has seen the quality of Amarrian metal and has to now contend with simpering dishonest curs masquerading as Imperial Warriors.

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